Catching Up to FI

What if the smartest move on your road to FI isn't buying a bigger house, but shrinking the footprint, clearing the clutter, and finally designing a life that actually fits? In this episode, we sit down with Sarah Susanka, the architect behind the bestselling "Not So Big House" movement. We talk about what happens when you stop building for appearances and start building for how you really live. Sarah shares how growing up in England, then landing in car-centric suburban Los Angeles made her question why Americans kept buying "hamburger bun but no hamburger" houses full of unused rooms. This episode covers: Sarah Susanka's origin story and how suburbia pushed her toward architecture The difference between building bigger and building better Why unused rooms are the housing version of lifestyle bloat - How right-sizing a home parallels right-sizing a life The design power of light, ceiling height, flow, and multi-use space How small architectural moves can create huge changes in mood and function Why old thought patterns can clutter a life just like unused rooms clutter a house The connection between beauty, sustainability, and building things that last How Bill used Sarah's ideas in his own home design and life redesign Why intentional design matters even more for late starters making a reset spaces. . === SUPPORT THE SHOW === 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question . ===DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS=== F.I.R.E. For Dummies Did you know that co-host Jackie Cummings Koski, CFP®, AFC® is also author of "F.I.R.E. For Dummies"? This is the perfect guide for anyone looking to move from the basics of their finances to reaching F.I.R.E. (Financial Independence, Retire Early) and enjoying the time freedom it creates. Even if you feel behind on your finances, the steps in this book will help you catch up sooner than you ever imagined. Learn from someone who actually achieved F.I.R.E. in her 40s even after getting a late start Covers everything from basics to advanced strategies in one guide Practical solutions for early retirement obstacles like health insurance and early withdrawal penalties 👉🏽 https://a.co/d/01umGgeh (currently 40% off on Amazon) For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners . RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW Sarah's Website Not So Big Design Principles for House & Life with Sarah Susanka Sarah TedX talk 📗The Not So Big House: A Blueprint for the Way We Really Live The New Urbanism The Not So Big Bungalow . ⏰ Related Episodes How Clutter Steals Your Time (And How to Get It Back) | Rose Lounsbury | 188 . 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.

What happens when women in the financial independence community finally get a room of their own and use it not just to talk numbers, but to unpack the invisible stuff they've been carrying for years? In this on-location episode, Jackie takes us inside the Women of FI annual weekend in Maryland. This was a rare women-centered FI retreat that blends case studies, life design, laughter, and vulnerability. She catches up with two familiar voices from past episodes, Kim Hunter-Borst and Lisa B. to hear what retirement, sabbaticals, and post-FI life actually look like in motion, not just on paper. Other attendees also share why a women-only space hits differently: less posturing, more honesty, more room to talk about emotional labor, caregiving, identity, and the inner work that often gets skipped in mixed-money spaces. This episode covers: What happened at the Women of FI annual women's weekend in Maryland Why women-centered FI spaces create a different kind of openness and trust Kim Hunter-Borst's vision for building a smaller, more vulnerable, more intentional retreat The 2026 theme of "release" and what women said they were ready to put down A retirement update from Kim after leaving full-time work A follow-up from Lisa B. on quitting her job, taking a summer break, and what happened next Why women said they needed space for both the "outer" and "inner" work of FI How attendees are thinking about Coast FI, sabbaticals, community, and post-FI life . === SUPPORT THE SHOW === 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question . ===DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS=== F.I.R.E. For Dummies Did you know that co-host Jackie Cummings Koski, CFP®, AFC® is also author of "F.I.R.E. For Dummies"? This is the perfect guide for anyone looking to move from the basics of their finances to reaching F.I.R.E. (Financial Independence, Retire Early) and enjoying the time freedom it creates. Even if you feel behind on your finances, the steps in this book will help you catch up sooner than you ever imagined. Learn from someone who actually achieved F.I.R.E. in her 40s even after getting a late start Covers everything from basics to advanced strategies in one guide Practical solutions for early retirement obstacles like health insurance and early withdrawal penalties 👉🏽 https://a.co/d/01umGgeh (currently 40% off on Amazon) For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners . RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW Women Of FI WE Wealth Collective Facebook Group EconoMe Conference https://economeconference.com CampFI FinTalks Events . ⏰ Related Episodes Drowning in Debt at 48, Retired at 58: Here's How She Did It! | Kim Hunter-Borst | 181 Case Study: The Real Numbers That Told Her She Could Quit her Job, Now! | Lisa B | 161 The Power of Cash Flow Planning | Sarah-Catherine Gutierrez | 016 . 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.

What if the real danger in retirement isn't running out of money, but spending so cautiously that you accidentally work too long, live too small, and die with a portfolio that never got a chance to do its job? In part two with Aubrey Williams, we go deeper into the "fog of FI" (that weird, anxious place where the spreadsheet says you're free, but your nervous system absolutely does not believe it). This episode covers: Why the 4% rule can make FI people overwork and underspend How future income streams like Social Security can move your FI date forward Why flexible spending is more realistic than flat, inflation-adjusted withdrawals How risk-based guardrails help you know when to cut or increase spending Why many FI people need more help increasing spending than reducing it How personal inflation can differ from CPI and affect retirement planning Why historical analysis may be more useful than Monte Carlo for some FI decisions How small amounts of income in retirement can meaningfully reduce portfolio pressure Why engineers and analytical types often need better data to trust they're "done" How Bill is using these ideas to finally get clearer about leaving work sooner . S U P P O R T T H E S H O W 📩 Sign up for our newsletter https://catchinguptofi.com/contact-us/#newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website https://catchinguptofi.com 👥 Connect with us https://linktr.ee/cutfi ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" https://www.buymeacoffee.com/catchinguptofi 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question https://catchinguptofi.com/contact-us/#voicemails ===DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS=== STUDENT LOAN PLANNER Big changes with student loans in 2026. Get help from the experts at Student Loan Planner, all CFP®, CFA and CSLP® professionals. They charge a one-time fee for their thorough review. Our listeners receive $100 off a 1:1 consult using the link below. Flat fee is normally $595, but after your $100 off 'Catching Up to FI' discount, it's $495. 👉🏼 Be sure to use this link: studentloanplanner.com/catchingup For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners . RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW Open Path Financial Aubrey's EconoMe Talk (2026): Coming soon! Income Lab FIREproof (Lauren Boland) Projection Lab Open Source Guardrails Simulation (Roger Cost) . ⏰ Related Episodes Part 1: Why Your Brain is Hardwired to Keep You Working (and How to Fix It) | Aubrey Williams | 214 A Richer Retirement: The 4.7% Rule | Bill Bengen | 169 Sequence of Returns Risk: What Every Retiree Needs to Know | Karsten Jeske | 106 If you enjoyed this episode, please follow the show on your podcast player and leave us a rating and review. If you want to watch, be sure to subscribe to our YouTube Channel. This helps others find the show and keeps us creating great content for you! . 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.

What if the thing keeping you from Financial Independence (FI) isn't your income, your portfolio, or your math. It's probably the quiet belief that you still need "one more year" when you actually don't. Our guest on this episode is Aubrey Williams, a former particle physicist, radar-tech leader, debt-slayer, and now advice-only financial planner. In this conversation, he flips some of the FI community's favorite assumptions on their head. This is the first of a 2-part episode with Aubrey so be sure to follow the podcast to be notified of the second part of this fascinating conversation. This episode covers: How Aubrey rebuilt after divorce and $90,000 of debt Why savings rate is nonlinear and more powerful than most people realize How a higher savings rate can erase working years faster than expected Why our brains are wired for survival, not modern investing and retirement decisions How to build evidence that you can safely spend instead of just hoard Why living smaller can sometimes create more freedom and more joy How Aubrey reached FI in high-cost Santa Barbara without leaving California Why the FI community itself often knows more than the average advisor The difference between fee-based, fee-only, flat-fee, and hourly advice Why Aubrey believes many FI people are still working too long . === SUPPORT THE SHOW === 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question . ===DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS=== STUDENT LOAN PLANNER Big changes with student loans in 2026. Get help from the experts at Student Loan Planner, all CFP®, CFA and CSLP® professionals. They charge a one-time fee for their thorough review. Our listeners receive $100 off a 1:1 consult using the link below. Flat fee is normally $595, but after your $100 off 'Catching Up to FI' discount, it's $495. 👉🏼 Be sure to use this link: studentloanplanner.com/catchingup For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners . RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW Open Path Financial Aubrey's EconoMe Talk (2026): Coming soon! . ⏰ Related Episodes Founder of 'Catching Up to FI' Just Hit Financial Independence, Now What? | Bill Yount | 196 Enoughness: Your Life or Your Money | Vicki Robin | 95 . If you enjoyed this episode, please follow the show on your podcast player and leave us a rating and review. If you want to watch, be sure to subscribe to our YouTube Channel. This helps others find the show and keeps us creating great content for you! . 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.

What do you do when your accountant brain knows the numbers, your life blows up anyway, and the answer turns out to be halfway around the world in a weird little movement called FIRE? We head to New Zealand to talk with Bronwyn Candish, a chartered accountant, community builder, and one of the clearest Kiwi voices in financial independence movement. She talks to us about starting over after divorce, rebuilding from the middle, and discovering that "doing money right" has a lot less to do with credentials than with courage, alignment, and actually taking action. This episode covers: Growing up with scarcity in New Zealand and how that shaped Bronwyn's money mindset Why being an accountant did not automatically make her good with money Lifestyle creep, overbuying on housing, and drifting into paycheck-to-paycheck living Divorce as a financial wake-up call in her late 30s How Bronwyn found FIRE through a random article and went deep down the rabbit hole The role of KiwiSaver, housing, and DIY culture in the New Zealand version of FI Why community and accountability matter so much on the journey How Bronwyn turned her accounting practice into a FIRE-adjacent coaching space The creation of Black Friday and the growth of the Kiwi FIRE community What it looks like to be "mid-journey" and still deeply love the path . === SUPPORT THE SHOW === 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question . ===DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS=== 🆕Big changes with student loans in 2026. Get help from the experts at Student Loan Planner, all CFP®, CFA and CSLP® professionals. They charge a one-time fee for their thorough review. Our listeners receive $100 off a 1:1 consult using the link below. Flat fee is normally $595, but after your $100 off 'Catching Up to FI' discount, it's $495. 👉🏼 Be sure to use this link: studentloanplanner.com/catchingup For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners . RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW KiwiFI and Black FI Day website Sheppard & Ormsby PocketSmith Personal Finance Software . ⏰ Related Episodes Borderless FI: The Happy KiwiSaver | Ruth Henderson | 165 Borderless FI: Australian Paramedic Healing Her Own Trauma | Tasch Rogers | 143 Indiana Jones and an Extraordinary Life with the Donegans | Alan and Katie Donegan | 079 Borderless FI: Thunder Down Under | Late Starter Fire | 004 . If you enjoyed this episode, please follow the show on your podcast player and leave us a rating and review. If you want to watch, be sure to subscribe to our YouTube Channel. This helps others find the show and keeps us creating great content for you! . 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.

What if your giving plan felt as intentional and optimized as your FI plan, and just as easy to automate? In walks Daffy, the new and modern donor-advised fund that is democratizing giving! Adam Nash, co-founder and CEO of Daffy, joins us today to explain how donor-advised funds (DAFs) went from stuffy tools for the ultra-wealthy to something you can open on your phone. Daffy is a fast-growing fintech platform and community for charitable giving, made for everyday people. Adam shares the pandemic-era "why now" behind Daffy, how traditional donor-advised funds quietly skim high AUM fees while setting eye-watering minimums, and walks through Daffy's flat-fee, app-first model. This episode also covers: ✅ What donor-advised funds are and why they've been hidden from most everyday givers ✅ DAFs for tax optimization (bunching, appreciated stock, estate planning) ✅ How to turn giving into a family and workplace culture (campaigns, matching, gift links) ✅ Why Adam sees a DAF as a simple "charitable 401(k)" or mini family foundation without the lawyers, board meetings, or overhead, built to help you be more generous ========== DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS MONARCH MONEY The modern way to manage money! Monarch will change the way you organize your financial life. Track, budget, plan, and do more with your money – together. Get 50% off the first year using this link and entering code: CATCHINGUP50 For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners SUPPORT THE SHOW 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW: (As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases.) ➡️ Join Bill or Jackie on :Daffy and receive an extra $25 bonus for charity in your new account 🌐 :Daffy (The Donor-Advised Fund For You™) ▶️ :Daffy on YouTube 📄The One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA) is Telling Donors One Thing: Get a Donor-Advised Fund Donor-Advised Fund fee comparison calculator Stock vs. Cash Donation Calculator If you enjoyed this episode, please follow the show on your podcast player and leave us a rating and review. If you want to watch, be sure to subscribe to our YouTube Channel. This helps others find the show and keeps us creating great content for you! 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.

Don't be that person who becomes a hoarder in retirement! You know who you are and it's a big concern for those that are champs at saving but reluctant to spend. It almost seems like a good problem to have... but not really! Retirement planners Rachel Camp, CFP® and Jesse Cramer join the show for a tackle the topic and what's known as the "consumption gap"-- the mismatch between what retirees could safely spend and what they actually spend. They discuss how decades of frugality, and dopamine hits from watching net worth climb and similar types of thinking make it brutally hard to flip from saver to spender. In this episode we cover: ✅ The 4% rule's real origin story (it was built to avoid failure, not to optimize joy) ✅ The very human tendency to over solve for the worst-case market and under solve for lost health, time, and relationships ✅ Strategies Rachael and Jesse use with their clients to help them spend and not hoard their money in retirement ✅ Why talking through childhood money stories is often more powerful than another spreadsheet. ✅ Debunking the viral "retire later, die sooner" meme and zoom out to what actually affects longevity ✅ A challenge tailor-made for late starters: once the math says you've won, stop buy back your time, and don't die with the biggest net worth of your life. ==================== DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS MONARCH MONEY The modern way to manage money! Monarch will change the way you organize your financial life. Track, budget, plan, and do more with your money – together. Get 50% off the first year using this link and entering code: CATCHINGUP50 For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners SUPPORT THE SHOW 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW: (As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases.) 🌐 Rachael Camp Wealth Rachael Camp Wealth Youtube 🌐 The Best Interest Blog (Jesse Cramer) Personal Finance For Long-Term Investors (Jesse Cramer's podcast) 📄Debunked: The Later You Retire, The Earlier You Die?! ⏰ Related Episodes Smart Money Moves After 50 | Bill Yount | 142 Space Telescopes, Sunflowers, and Financial Gardening | Jesse Cramer | 105 If you enjoyed this episode, please follow the show on your podcast player and leave us a rating and review. If you want to watch, be sure to subscribe to our YouTube Channel. This helps others find the show and keeps us creating great content for you! 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.

Don't miss this special 3-year anniversary of 'Catching Up to FI' as Bill marks the moment by doing something he's been helping everyone else do for years: officially 'coming out' as financially independent (FI)! It is hard to believe that the show has been around for 3 years, 196 episodes, 20k Facebook Community members, 1.4M audio downloads and 300k views on YouTube. Is this real? Today we celebrate Bill's journey from Episode #1: 'A Boat Named Yolo', to officially reaching FI, but feels more like the 'The Fog of FI'. During this interview, Jackie gets Bill to open up and vulnerably share details of his wake-up call at 50: burned out, sued, house-poor after a disastrous renovation and de-risking at the bottom of the Great Recession, and still living paycheck to paycheck despite a 'rich doctor' income. He walks through discovering FI via blogs and books, taking a full year to reclaim his money from private bankers and whole life policies (he's naming names!). Bill's real superpower was boosting his savings rate up to ~40% in his early 50s using Mr. Money Mustache's 'shockingly simple math' to accept a 10 to 15-year timeline. Fast-forward to 60 and a retirement-readiness check with a flat-fee, advice-only planner: after three years of expense tracking in Monarch Money, a comprehensive plan, and stress-testing with risk-parity portfolios, Bill gets the verdict every late starter dreams of, 'you could retire tomorrow'— and feels weirdly flat. We also dig into the emotional side: the identity crisis of possibly leaving medicine, using newfound leverage to negotiate work on his own terms, the choice to glide out over several years instead of cliff-retiring, and the shift from building wealth to giving with warm hands, mentoring younger docs, and helping his adult sons lay foundations he never had. We close with Bill's hard-earned advice: ➡️ Reverse-engineer your life from your tombstone ➡️ Focus on health span as fiercely as net worth ➡️ Stop over-identifying with your job or your number ➡️ Remember that for late starters, the real win is feeling less alone while you build a life you won't regret. ==================== DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS: MONARCH MONEY The modern way to manage money! Monarch will change the way you organize your financial life. Track, budget, plan, and do more with your money – together. Get 50% off the first year using this link and entering code: CATCHINGUP50 For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners SUPPORT THE SHOW 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW: 📄 Bill's 'Letter of Gratitude' and 'Financial Life Policy Statement' Saving Our Retirement on Humble Dollar Bill's Financial Planner: Bryan Minogue CFP®, CFA (Kardinal Financial) ⏰ Related Episodes A Boat Named YOLO | Bill Yount | 001 The Power of Cash Flow Planning | Sarah-Catherine Gutierrez | 016 The Father of Financial Life Planning (Part 1) | George Kinder | 140 If you enjoyed this episode, please follow the show on your podcast player and leave us a rating and review. If you want to watch, be sure to subscribe to our YouTube Channel. This helps others find the show and keeps us creating great content for you! 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.