All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

(0:00) Bestie intros! (0:18) The fight to save open source AI: Kimi K3 panic, Anthropic/OpenAI regulatory capture (27:38) Anthropic/OpenAI historic growth rates, China's long game (48:29) Anthropic's $1.5B piracy settlement and the great IP theft hypocrisy (1:07:12) Google and Tesla stocks tank on surging AI capex (1:17:19) Socialism Corner: "Evictions = Violence" and the threat to private property rights Apply for All-In Summit 2026: https://allin.com/events Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@allin Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/kimi-k3?intelligence=artificial-analysis-intelligence-index#intelligence-comparisons https://www.axios.com/2026/07/20/ai-us-china-open-source-kimi https://www.wired.com/story/the-white-house-is-trying-to-figure-out-what-to-do-about-chinese-ai https://x.com/mkratsios47/status/2079933645888880708 https://polymarket.com/event/us-government-bans-an-open-source-ai-model-in-2026-20260703221501747 https://fortune.com/2025/01/29/deepseek-openais-what-is-distillation-david-sacks https://stratechery.com/2026/whos-afraid-of-chinese-models https://x.com/CommerceGov/status/2080341953086886387 https://x.com/tickerplus/status/2080123562560504240 https://blog.tickertrends.io/p/anthropic-vs-openai-arr-tracking https://x.com/sama/status/2077817060068057493 https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-approves-anthropics-15-billion-settlement-copyright-lawsuit-2026-07-20 https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-distillation-attacks https://techstartups.com/2026/07/22/nearly-200-silicon-valley-startups-urge-trump-not-to-ban-chinese-ai-models-warn-it-could-kill-innovation https://x.com/typesfast/status/2080339052398891244 https://www.thefp.com/p/why-new-york-city-has-50000-ghost

(0:00) Besties are back! (0:19) Anthropic gets massive backlash over secret Fable nerfing and privacy concerns (29:16) The AI regulatory capture trap, pragmatic safety solutions (37:59) Nationalizing AI: Trump/Sanders, justifications, and AI's "Capitalist Cucks" (59:22) Liquidity recap: Best moments and takeaways (1:05:39) Inflation heats up: CPI and PPI see 3+ year highs (1:12:27) California's loose election laws creating integrity doubts Apply for Summit 2026: https://allin.com/events Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5 https://x.com/Scobleizer/status/2064641097310335294 https://x.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2064618497150210391 https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/2064433331970720187 https://x.com/Yuchenj_UW/status/2064524668208545955 https://stratechery.com https://x.com/peter_szilagyi/status/2064620043896291671 https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential https://screendna.org https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065120386660880765 https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/01/opinion/artificial-intelligence-bernie-sanders.html https://polymarket.com/event/ipos-before-2027 https://polymarket.com/event/how-high-will-inflation-get-in-2026 https://polymarket.com/event/fed-rate-hike-in-2026 https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/2063602942637158423 https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/california-man-pleads-guilty-orchestrating-270m-medication-reimbursement-fraud-scheme https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/osec/osec20260218 https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/behind-the-shades/2025/05/secret-service-cracks-down-ebt-fraud-southern-california-sweep https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/8-arrested-health-care-fraud-takedown-including-owners-hospices-billed-taxpayers https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-man-arrested-allegedly-stealing-millions-homeless-funds https://x.com/californiapost/status/2064362900098048386

(0:00) PA Senators Fetterman and McCormick join the Besties (0:33) Bipartisanship in 2026, rejecting extremism (6:37) All-time unpopularity in the Senate, the filibuster question, tribalism (13:33) Fixing wealth concentration in the US (19:51) Graham Platner, why extremism wins primaries, and what it means for the future (28:12) How AI and energy are playing a part in PA's blue collar boom, dark money funding misinformation (41:05) Insane level of money in politics, fixing the broken system Follow Senator Fetterman: https://x.com/SenFettermanPA Follow Senator McCormick: https://x.com/SenMcCormickPA Thanks to our partners for making this possible! EY - EY helps private equity firms turn market insight into action, navigating complexity and unlocking new paths to growth and long-term value. https://www.ey.com/en_us/industries/private-equity?WT.mc_id=3501315&AA.tsrc=sponsorship NYSE - Thank you to our partner, the New York Stock Exchange - a modern marketplace and exchange for building the future. It all happens at the NYSE. https://www.nyse.com Plaud - Never miss a moment. Plaud, our official wearable AI note-taking partner at All-In Liquidity Summit, captured every insight. https://www.plaud.ai Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg

(0:00) Bill Maris joins the Besties! (0:33) Four critical lessons from a career in technology (5:58) Building Google Ventures with data and machine learning (9:51) Why small VC funds beat big ones on average (14:36) OpenAI's valuation problem and the AI price war (19:09) AI's "Atari Stage": what comes next? (25:23) VC's broken incentives and the future of deep tech Thanks to our partners for making this possible! EY - Agentic AI is introducing a new investment discipline. As AI shifts to consumption-based models, EY connects spend to enterprise value. https://www.ey.com/en_us/insights/ai/agentic-ai-token-costs?WT.mc_id=3501318&AA.tsrc=sponsorship NYSE - Thank you to our partner, the New York Stock Exchange - a modern marketplace and exchange for building the future. It all happens at the NYSE. https://www.nyse.com Plaud - Never miss a moment. Plaud, our official wearable AI note-taking partner at All-In Liquidity Summit, captured every insight. https://www.plaud.ai Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg

(0:00) Brad Gerstner, Gavin Baker, and Kelly Rodriques join the Besties! (0:47) Secondary Markets are Booming & Competing with IPOs (3:10) Why Companies are Staying Private So Long? (9:22) SPVs, the Forge-Schwab Deal, Democratizing Private Market Access (13:28) Secondary Markets as Exit Liquidity for VCs (27:00) The Private Market Bubble? (32:03) Hottest Secondary Companies Right Now Thanks to our partners for making this possible! EY - Agentic AI is introducing a new investment discipline. As AI shifts to consumption-based models, EY connects spend to enterprise value. https://www.ey.com/en_us/insights/ai/agentic-ai-token-costs?WT.mc_id=3501318&AA.tsrc=sponsorship NYSE - Thank you to our partner, the New York Stock Exchange - a modern marketplace and exchange for building the future. It all happens at the NYSE. https://www.nyse.com Plaud - Never miss a moment. Plaud, our official wearable AI note-taking partner at All-In Liquidity Summit, captured every insight. https://www.plaud.ai Follow Brad: https://x.com/altcap Follow Gavin: https://x.com/GavinSBaker Follow Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-rodriques-9b49418 Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg

(0:00) Dan Loeb joins the Besties! (0:34) Investor journey: From message boards to a multibillion dollar hedge fund (3:15) Third Point's early days: mentors and market turmoil (8:47) Strategy shift: Event-driven to quality and AI (16:01) The art of short selling and a homebuilder trade (22:15) Criminal justice reform and the Ross Ulbricht pardon Thanks to our partners for making this possible! EY - Agentic AI is introducing a new investment discipline. As AI shifts to consumption-based models, EY connects spend to enterprise value. https://www.ey.com/en_us/insights/ai/agentic-ai-token-costs?WT.mc_id=3501318&AA.tsrc=sponsorship NYSE - Thank you to our partner, the New York Stock Exchange - a modern marketplace and exchange for building the future. It all happens at the NYSE. https://www.nyse.com Plaud - Never miss a moment. Plaud, our official wearable AI note-taking partner at All-In Liquidity Summit, captured every insight. https://www.plaud.ai Follow Dan Loeb: https://x.com/DanielSLoeb1 Apply for Summit 2026: ⁠https://allin.com/events⁠ Follow the besties: ⁠https://x.com/chamath⁠ ⁠https://x.com/Jason⁠ ⁠https://x.com/DavidSacks⁠ ⁠https://x.com/friedberg⁠ Follow on X: ⁠https://x.com/theallinpod⁠ Follow on Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod⁠ Follow on TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod⁠ Follow on LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod⁠ Intro Music Credit: ⁠https://rb.gy/tppkzl⁠ ⁠https://x.com/yung_spielburg

(0:00) Bill Ackman joins the show! (0:30) Evolving investment philosophy: What's changed over 20 years? (4:40) AI: Greatest time to build a business, and a major threat to portfolios (7:50) Predicting market moves, the "rubber band effect" (16:00) Owning founder-led companies (19:30) Building the next Berkshire Hathaway Thanks to our partners for making this possible! EY - Agentic AI is introducing a new investment discipline. As AI shifts to consumption-based models, EY connects spend to enterprise value. https://www.ey.com/en_us/insights/ai/agentic-ai-token-costs?WT.mc_id=3501318&AA.tsrc=sponsorship NYSE - Thank you to our partner, the New York Stock Exchange - a modern marketplace and exchange for building the future. It all happens at the NYSE. https://www.nyse.com Plaud - Never miss a moment. Plaud, our official wearable AI note-taking partner at All-In Liquidity Summit, captured every insight. https://www.plaud.ai Follow Bill Ackman: https://x.com/BillAckman Apply for Summit 2026: ⁠https://allin.com/events⁠ Follow the besties: ⁠https://x.com/chamath⁠ ⁠https://x.com/Jason⁠ ⁠https://x.com/DavidSacks⁠ ⁠https://x.com/friedberg⁠ Follow on X: ⁠https://x.com/theallinpod⁠ Follow on Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod⁠ Follow on TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod⁠ Follow on LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod⁠ Intro Music Credit: ⁠https://rb.gy/tppkzl⁠ ⁠https://x.com/yung_spielburg

(0:00) Bill Gurley joins the show! (6:00) Making yourself valuable in the age of AI, first class of "AI Natives" (17:37) Reacting to Pope Leo's AI encyclical: Who guards the guardians? (26:54) Anthropic's Digital God: Do they believe they are creating a superior species? (38:32) AI sovereignty, the next era of privacy, open-source crackdown coming? (59:56) The Great AI Jobs Debate: Dario and Sam Altman flip their rhetoric, Goldman CEO says no AI job apocalypse Follow Bill Gurley: https://x.com/bgurley Apply for Summit 2026: https://allin.com/events Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/encyclicals/documents/20260515-magnifica-humanitas.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORFrdYSvzuw https://rdad.org https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/9214f02e82c4489fb6cf45441d448a1ecd1a3aca/claudes-constitution.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GaKJ4Fp2x4 https://allpoetry.com/All-Watched-Over-By-Machines-Of-Loving-Grace https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace https://x.com/chamath/status/2059850242779136031 https://x.com/vivekgaripalli/status/2059651390784344491 https://x.com/edzitron/status/2059122774401311095 https://p3institute.substack.com/p/from-open-source-software-to-open https://www.theinformation.com/newsletters/the-briefing/anthropic-likely-generating-least-35-revenue-openai https://www.theverge.com/tech/930447/microsoft-claude-code-discontinued-notepad https://x.com/Polymarket/status/2060034216906068131 https://x.com/savipww/status/2060070450785305030 https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/22/opinion/ai-job-crisis-goldman-sachs.html https://fortune.com/2026/05/26/sam-altman-dario-amodei-walking-back-ai-jobs-apocalypse-prophecies-ipo https://fortune.com/2026/05/05/dario-amodei-jevons-paradox-will-ai-wipe-out-white-collar-jobs https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/jack-dorseys-block-cuts-4000-jobs-critics-claim/503108