Bothsides Podcast

Stephen and Jonathan built one of Australia's top finance businesses from nothing — no ads, no cold outreach, just relentless service and a system most people never figure out. They now write over $1.1 billion in loans a year, and in this episode they explain exactly how they did it.But this isn't just a finance conversation. It's a masterclass in scaling a business, building a team that performs without you, and creating the kind of customer experience that makes marketing irrelevant. Whether you're in real estate, sales, running your own business, or just thinking about your next property move — there's something here for you.In this episode:◾ Why the founders became the biggest bottleneck in their own business — and the leap of faith that fixed it◾ The "reverse mullet" sales method: how to listen your way to more deals in any industry◾ How the wealthy buy property before they sell — and why most people don't know this is even possible◾ Why salary beats commission for building a team that actually cares about customers◾ The single piece of advice from a Westpac banker that shaped everything (learned at age 19)◾ What developers need to know right now as the banks return to the market

Australia's Real Estate Godfather Bill Malouf breaks down why 99% of agents lose luxury listings.It's not what you think. And exactly how to win every presentation.He reveals:◼️The company pitch book that kills your credibility instantly◼️Why agents who talk the most close the least deals◼️The 25-minute bond-building method billionaires respond to◼️How to sell $300M penthouses without opening your mouth◼️Why "80% market share" presentations are complete crap◼️The 2-word response that closed a deal in 48 hours◼️How to find the "why" instead of pushing stats nobody cares about◼️Why accessibility beats marketing flair every single time◼️The exact strategy to win against auction-pushing competitors◼️How listening more earns you 10x the referrals and repeat business

Australia's #1 Finance Broker Graeme Holm breaks down the housing crisis nobody wants you to understand.Why it's deliberately constructed. Why most Australians will stay broke. And exactly how to win anyway.He reveals:◼️The government conspiracy helping institutions f*ck you out of the market◼️ Why people who complain about property will be broke forever◼️The only insurance you pay that doesn't protect you (it protects the bank)◼️How Australians waste half their income on food and bullshit◼️The mortgage trap designed to keep families poor for 40 years◼️Why rent = mortgage payments but nobody wants you to know◼️The exact strategy to control multiple properties with small deposits◼️How to leverage equity and build wealth while others complain◼️Why the disparity will get worse—and which side you need to be on◼️The 105% loan product that changes everything for first home buyers

Australia's Money Mentor Graeme Holm exposes the $200M banking fraud, shocking 40-year mortgage traps, why 600,000 Australians were robbed, how farms were sold offshore, and the people controlling your wealth.Graeme Holm has sold over $200 million in real estate, is co-founder of Infinity Group, and is one of Australia's most outspoken financial experts. He reveals:◼️ The $200M stolen from 600,000 everyday Australians—and why it was deliberately messy◼️ How "licensed experts" sold financial products that don't work◼️ The hidden agenda to destroy Australia's construction and housing sectors◼️ Why banks forced farmers into bankruptcy and sold their land offshore ◼️ The 40-year mortgage scam designed to trap families for generations◼️ How Australia's "big four" banks operate as a cartel◼️ Why banks claim "it's your responsibility" after stealing from you◼️ How to protect your wealth when the system is rigged against you◼️ The shocking truth about who really owns Australia's assets

James Tostevin reveals how 200 calls a week for 40 years made him Australia's #1 real estate agent three years running (2013, 2014, 2015) and why "momentum is everything" when it comes to sustained success in real estate.James Tostevin is a Director and Auctioneer at Marshall White and has sold over $400M in real estate across nearly 4 decades in the industry. He's conducted 3,500+ auctions and is known for his relentless prospecting discipline and time-blocking systems that have made him one of Australia's most consistent top performers.After 40 years in the game, he still makes 200 prospecting calls every single week and attributes his success to structured routines, momentum, and never becoming complacent.He explains: ◼️ Why he still does 200 calls a week after 40 years in the business◼️ The time-blocking system that protects his prospecting hours◼️ Why momentum is the key to long-term success in real estate◼️ How to structure your day to maximize productivity◼️ Why most agents fail because they don't devote time to training◼️ The importance of nurture calls and consistent follow-up◼️ How to build systems that become habits◼️ Why you can't build momentum without dedicated blocks of time◼️ What it takes to conduct 3,500+ auctions and stay sharpExplore the Bothsides Ecosystem ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠You can watch us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠I⁠⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Hosted by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dan Beardall⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Kevin Buchanan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Josh Morrissey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Bothsides on Spotify so you never miss an episode! Thank you for listening.

Australia’s #1 luxury real estate agent, MARCUS CHIMINELLO, reveals the discipline, identity, and elite standards behind his $800M+ a year sales career — and why “how you do anything is how you do everything.”He opens up about the habits, sacrifices, and mindset required to operate at the absolute top of the prestige property market.Marcus Chiminello is one of Australia’s most respected and recognisable agents, known for record-shattering results, precise communication, and a work ethic that has shaped two decades at the top. Today, he sells more than $800 million in premium real estate annually, trusted by some of the country’s most influential families.From 4:30am starts to razor-sharp personal standards, Marcus explains the systems that keep him consistent, grounded, and high-performing - even through burnout cycles, intense pressure, and nonstop demand.He explains:◼️ Why “repetition” and message clarity build an unstoppable personal brand◼️ The hidden sacrifices behind elite performance (and why most people won’t make them)◼️ How emotional regulation can win listings before the pitch even starts◼️ The habits that allow him to outwork and outlast the competition◼️ Why standards matter more than goals◼️ The trade-off between success and your social life (and what he chose)◼️ How fitness, structure, and self-trust became the pillars of his longevity

Simon Cohen writes $10M+ in GCI annually and is currently negotiating what could be the 4th biggest residential deal in Australian history. He started during the GFC when everyone said it was impossible.The difference between him and everyone else? He's not lazy.Most people think success requires talent, connections, or luck. Simon's represented some of the world's most successful people - they have zero superpowers you don't have. The only difference is they refuse to be complacent.The harsh truth: complacency and laziness are killing your business. Every day you're not innovating, pioneering, and doing better deals - you're going backwards.We cover:◼️ What actually separates the top 1% from everyone else (it's pathetically simple)◼️ Why most people fail (and it's 100% in your control)◼️ The "free work" strategy that built a $10M+ empire from nothing◼️ How he saved clients $4.4M on an $8.8M property (while others made excuses)◼️ What his wealthiest clients taught him about hunger and drive◼️ Why starting during the worst time became his biggest advantageIf you're tired of making excuses and ready to see what top 1% producers actually do differently, this is for you.Explore the Bothsides Ecosystem ⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠You can watch us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find us on ⁠⁠⁠I⁠⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Join us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Hosted by ⁠⁠Dan Beardall⁠⁠,⁠ ⁠Kevin Buchanan⁠⁠ and⁠ ⁠Josh Morrissey ⁠⁠Follow Bothsides on Spotify so you never miss an episode! Thank you for listening.

Billy Moskovich became Australia's first billion-dollar mortgage broker in his 30s, writing over $1.56 billion in deals last year alone.Starting as a suspended student with no direction, he built a system that now has him on track for $2 billion this year. Now he reveals: the exact strategies that got him there, and how you can apply them to your own success.Billy Moskovich is Australia's first billion-dollar broker and director at Stamford Capital, the country's leading commercial finance brokerage with over $2.6 billion in deals annually. He's built his reputation banking some of the nation's wealthiest developers and investors, while maintaining a lifestyle most only dream of.We cover:⬛ The exact daily system that generates $800M in 6 months (and why most brokers fail)⬛ How he banks billionaires who've never used a broker before (the relationship secret)⬛ The "specialist vs generalist" rule that separates top 1% earners from everyone else⬛ Why being in peak physical shape closes more deals than any sales script⬛ The Monday-Thursday sprint system that gives him 3-day weekends year-round⬛ How to build a team that 10X's your income without losing your best people⬛ Why "saving money for free" is the most powerful sales frame in existenceExplore the Bothsides Ecosystem ⁠here⁠You can watch us on ⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠Find us on ⁠I⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠Join us on ⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠Follow Bothsides on Spotify so you never miss an episode! Follow Us here Thank you for listening.

What if the No.1 reason you’ve never achieved your goals has nothing to do with talent, luck, or resources… but the way your mind retreats when things get hard?Entrepreneur, investor, and founder Jack Delosa has spent two decades building, scaling, and rescuing companies worth hundreds of millions. He’s been $25M up, $5M down, and rebuilt again. Now, he’s revealing the real reasons most people never succeed - and the simple frameworks you can use to finally break through excuses, fear, and overwhelm.With brutal honesty and hard-won experience, Jack exposes the uncomfortable truths about why people quit, how to stop self-sabotage, and what it actually takes to achieve big goals in today’s world.Jack is the founder of The Entourage, Australia’s largest training institution for entrepreneurs, and an active investor with over $100M in portfolio value. He’s been featured in BRW Young Rich List multiple times and is the author of two best-selling business books.In this conversation, Jack reveals:◼️ The No.1 reason people never achieve their goals (and how to beat it).◼️ Why your brain’s natural instinct is to retreat into excuses when things get tough.◼️ The 2-hour rule that can transform your business and life in weeks.◼️ How to identify and fix the real constraint that’s holding back your success.◼️ Why most entrepreneurs are trapped in busywork instead of growth work.◼️ The hidden danger of operational debt and how to reverse it fast.◼️ Why leaning into AI now can be your biggest advantage in the next 5–7 years.You can watch us on ⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠Find us on I⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠Join us on ⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠Vistit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

Joshua Charles went from earning $0 to more than the Prime Minister by age 24.Now at 51, he's facilitated $7.2 billion in commercial real estate transactions and reveals exactly how the game is played.What you'll discover:​The exact moment foreign investors stopped touching Victorian property (and the $100M opportunity it created)​How One Commercial beats billion-dollar firms using Instagram and TikTok​The $70M Alexandria property that went from "not for sale" to SOLD with one call​Why 50% of massive commercial deals happen completely off-market​The Marrickville deal that jumped from $200k to $1M commission (and why Joshua got $0)​How AI is replacing entire analyst teams and doing a week's work in 5 minutes​The specific Sydney suburbs about to explode…​Why he hired someone who memorized his coffee order and how attention to detail wins $100M deals.You can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

At 6 months old, Hung Chuy should have died at the bottom of the ocean. Thai military shot holes in his family's refugee boat and left them stranded at sea for a week with no food or water. Today, he owns over $20million in property and runs one of Australia's fastest-growing brokerages.This isn't your typical "rags to riches" story - it's a survival story that turned into a wealth empire. Hung went from nearly dying as a baby to making $400,000 at 19, then willingly took a $49,000 bank job to master the system from the inside.What you'll discover:​How his family survived being left to die at sea by military forces​The "scarcity mindset" that helped him negotiate everything (including his way to millions)​Why he walked away from $400K income to become a $49K bank teller​His "Da Vinci Code" for building wealth that banks don't want you to know​How he bought 10 properties in just 12 months (and why he's not stopping)​The real reason 150+ real estate agents trust him with their money​His controversial take on why financial planners are mostly uselessFrom sleeping in refugee camps to building a property empire - Hong's story proves that your worst circumstances can become your greatest strengths.But warning: his approach to wealth building will challenge everything you think you know about property investment.Ready to learn the system that took a refugee to $20M+?Watch until the end for his exact blueprint.You can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

In this episode, Jonny Bell shares how he scaled Wingman and HouseMark using offshoring, technology, and strategic leadership to boost efficiency, revenue, and relationships. By combining onshore leadership with offshore support, Johnny frees his team to focus on high-value activities while transforming property management property managers now handle 250–300 properties each, compared to the usual 100–120, generating significant revenue gains.Jonny emphasises giving value first in business, being authentic, and building long-term relationships. He shares lessons on leadership, team empowerment, and leveraging data to help agents and businesses grow. For Johnny, success isn’t just financial—it’s about family, friendships, personal growth, and creating a life aligned with your values.From networking in New York to investing in AI and expanding internationally, Jonny’s journey is full of strategic moves and unexpected opportunities. He also reveals a key paradigm shift: focusing on what he can remove out of his diary each week, rather than just doing more.Topics covered:Jonny Bell’s journey building and scaling a property management business using offshoring and technologyExpanding Wingman with onshore leadership and offshore support: engineers, business analysts, and property management teamsLeveraging offshoring to increase efficiency: tenancy communication, trust accounting, lease renewals, arrears, and maintenance coordinationProperty managers managing 250–300 properties each versus the industry average of 100–120Boosting revenue: case studies showing extra $100,000+ per property manager annuallyStrategies for B2B relationship building: giving value first, authenticity, and long-term collaborationLeadership philosophy: understanding team strengths, coaching, and maximising potentialPersonal growth: lessons on avoiding mistakes, health, relationships, and strategic decision-makingExpanding Wingman internationally, including the US market and leveraging AIOffshoring applications for sales agents: marketing, contracts, pre-listing kits, data management, and buyer trackingNetworking and opportunity creation: the power of casual meetings and the “butterfly effect”Career advice: taking action, overcoming fear, and the cost of regret versus failureBalancing business growth with personal life, family, and friendshipsThe win-win-win model: benefiting property managers, business owners, and clients alikeJonny shares a surprising lesson from his early career that still guides his decisions todayYou can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

In this compelling episode of The Bothsides Podcast, we sit down with renowned entrepreneur, real estate leader, and motorsport enthusiast Shane Smollen. From a humble, working-class upbringing in Ipswich, Brisbane, to building a real estate empire with an enterprise value of over $70 million, Shane's journey is a testament to the power of growth, resilience, and staying true to your instincts.Shane shares his non-traditional blueprint for success—one that doesn't rely on rigid goals but instead centers around alignment, strategic thinking, and building powerful habits. We dive into his early days with McGrath, selling 10 offices in 2015, and how his love for motorsport parallels his approach to business and life.Whether you're an aspiring agent, entrepreneur, or simply navigating your own professional grid, Shane’s insights on composure, growth mindset, and performance under pressure will leave you inspired and ready to move the needle in your own journey.Guest: Shane Smollen – Entrepreneur, Investor, Former McGrath Sales Director, Motorsport Champion and current director of Central Elements Developments Topics Covered:Introduction to Shane Smollen and his $70M real estate successGrowing up in a working-class family and finding property by fateWhy Shane doesn’t believe in traditional goal settingPrinciples behind Shane’s “helicopter view” of life and decision-makingEarly career: Director of Sales at McGrath and private office ownershipLeaving corporate structure to follow alignment and autonomyMaking smart decisions without fixed goalsSelling his business and finding joy in helping others growMotorsport as a metaphor for business resilience and performanceComparing amateur and elite performance—what sits in the gap?How to identify weaknesses and turn them into habitsTrusting your instincts and becoming unconsciously competentReal estate’s human side vs. performance metricsComposure under pressure: advice for staying calm in chaosThe importance of practicing in business and not just consuming informationFollow Shane Smollen: @smollenmotorsportFollow Bothsides Podcast: @bothsides_podcast