Ditching Hourly

Learning and development facilitator Nikki Cross joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how she turned business books into a private podcast book club that helps members apply what they read.Nikki explains the mechanics of her Inner Work Business Book Club, how she uses a private podcast to turn book ideas into implementation, and why structure matters when business books are trying to change behavior instead of merely transferring information.Learn more about Nikki Cross and her work at The Inner Work. (00:00) - Introduction (00:22) - Nikki's Inner Work Business (01:38) - From Public Podcast to Private Book Club (06:32) - How the Book Club Episodes Work (13:51) - Reading Along, Listening Along, or Both (20:58) - From Edutainment to Implementation (24:03) - Fluff, Structure, and Business Books (31:42) - Choosing Books and Integration Months (36:50) - Books as Cheap Expertise, Audio as Proof (41:43) - How to Find Nikki ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

(NOTE: this ep was recorded in October 2025, but I didn't get around to publishing it until March 2026. It was WILD listening to the AI portions of the conversation five months later - post OpenClaw.)Old friend and self-described “workaholic” developer Tim Dietrich joined me on Ditching Hourly to share his journey from FileMaker freelancer to the undisputed SuiteQL expert in the NetSuite ecosystem — a niche so specific that the platform itself became his marketing engine.We also dig into what happens when AI comes for your platform and how to think about the next wave.Chapters(00:00) - Introduction (00:53) - Tim's Background (03:02) - Early Career and FileMaker Days (06:08) - Transition to NetSuite (16:02) - SuiteQL and SQL Integration (21:00) - Positioning as SuiteQL Expert (30:03) - Managing Demand and Consulting Opportunities (34:39) - Current Client Work and Scaling Back (36:01) - The Rise of AI in NetSuite (50:27) - Comparing to Other Waves and Platforms (01:05:37) - Exploring Monetization Strategies (01:22:31) - Future Trends and Opportunities ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Laravel expert Joel Clermont joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how he and his co-founder run their successful dev subscription business. Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Introduction (00:16) - Joel's Background and Business Model Transition (01:54) - Launching the Dev Subscription Model (04:47) - Marketing and Initial Success (07:44) - Client Profiles and Demand (11:19) - Managing Client Expectations and Scope (18:58) - Onboarding and Project Management (21:21) - Handling Messy Projects and Infrastructure (25:06) - Client Capacity and Longevity (26:47) - Exploring Client Sizes and Ideal Fits (28:39) - Balancing Workload and Client Expectations (32:06) - Ensuring Client Satisfaction (34:47) - Managing Work and Time Effectively (43:11) - Challenges and Downsides of Subscription Model (47:54) - Marketing Strategies for Developers (52:52) - Conclusion and Resources Joel’s LinksJoel’s website » https://nocompromises.io/Joel’s books » https://masteringlaravel.io/booksJoel’s courses » https://masteringlaravel.io/coursesJoel’s community » https://masteringlaravel.io/community ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Founder of The Upside, Erin Halper, joined me on Ditching Hourly to share her pro tips on creating and sustaining a premium online community. Erin's Links:Erin's community » https://betheupside.com/Erin's LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinhalper/Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:19) - Erin Halper's Background and The Upside Community (03:19) - Challenges and Evolution of The Upside (07:24) - Starting and Running a Community (09:18) - Best Practices for Community Management (24:08) - Pricing Strategies for Independent Consultants (30:19) - Navigating Agency Subcontracting (30:52) - Building and Scaling Your Business (31:42) - Lifestyle and Impact in Consulting (33:00) - Celebrating Wins and Community Support (34:26) - Visibility and Positioning (36:03) - Pricing Strategies and Market Shifts (37:47) - Maintaining Boundaries in Community (40:30) - Application Process and Membership Cap (43:40) - Quarterly Open House Strategy (47:18) - Onboarding and Member Matching (55:26) - Concluding Thoughts and Contact Information ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Brand strategist and founder of SwayRise Creative, Diane Whiddon, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about how adding a discrete - and legitimately useful - AI-based productized service to her branding business tapped into a longstanding demand in her client base. Diane's LinksSwayRise Creative » https://swayrisecreative.com/Content Creator Lab » https://aicontentcreatorlab.comChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:34) - Diane's Background and Career Journey (01:44) - Discovering Value Pricing and Meeting Jonathan (03:44) - The Impactful Discovery Call (07:18) - Focusing and Scaling the Business (15:08) - Incorporating AI into Business (19:16) - AI Photo Shoots and Branding (33:33) - Ethical Considerations and Client Expectations (34:57) - Technical Aspects of AI Image Creation (37:02) - Using Image References and Editing Tools (37:56) - Cost and Effort of Traditional Photo Shoots (39:15) - AI Photo Shoots vs Traditional Photo Shoots (41:36) - The Demand for AI in Business (42:54) - Challenges and Opportunities with AI (47:33) - The Importance of Adapting to AI (51:53) - Leveraging AI for Business Success (54:13) - The Future of AI in Various Industries (01:10:30) - Final Thoughts and Resources ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Author of Leaving The Casino, Jessica Lackey, joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss the importance of understanding different business models, pricing strategies, and the concept of the 'zone of enoughness' in building a sustainable business.(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:09) - Jessica Lackey's Background and Career Journey (01:05) - Introduction to Jessica's Book (03:13) - The Casino Metaphor in Business (04:28) - Frameworks and Types of Expertise-Based Businesses (08:55) - Pricing Models and Strategies (19:22) - The Zone of Enoughness (30:46) - Transitioning Business Models (31:21) - Financial Planning and Expectations (32:30) - Balancing Flexibility and Income (34:28) - Optimizing Delivery for Efficiency (40:41) - Marketing Strategies for Delivery Businesses (42:48) - The Importance of Direct Outreach (51:03) - Building Authority Through Writing (54:29) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts Jessica's BioJessica Lackey is the founder of Deeper Foundations, a consulting and training firm that helps expertise-based business owners grow and scale sustainable companies rooted in stronger business foundations. She brings a unique blend of corporate expertise and soulful business building, drawing on an MBA from Harvard Business School, a coaching certification from iPEC, and experience at McKinsey & Company and Nike, Inc. Jessica has supported over 200 entrepreneurs through her programs, blending systems thinking, operational rigor, and deep values alignment. She lives in Charlotte, North Carolina, with her husband.Jessica's Links:Website: https://www.deeperfoundations.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-lackey/Book: https://www.deeperfoundations.com/casinoPredictable Revenue Roadmap: https://predictablerevenueroadmap.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessicalackey_consulting/ ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!

Ed Kless joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about what he and his Threshold co-founder Ron Baker think is the next big thing (spoiler alert: transformations).Talking PointsThe Concept of the Experience EconomyProgression of Economic ValueTransformations and Their ImpactThreshold: Guiding TransformationsTransitioning from Service to Transformation EconomySkipping the Experience StageCharging for TransformationSubscription Model as a SolutionValue-Based Pricing vs. Hourly BillingThe Revelation DocumentThe Concept of Moral InjuryAnd here's the link to the document we discussed on the show: THRESHOLD - A REVELATION for the Transformation EconomyAbout EdEd Kless believes entrepreneurs continue the work of creation and that business exists to promote human flourishing. To advance this vision, he cofounded THRESHOLD, where he guides professional leaders and teams through edifying transformation. Previously, Ed served as Sage’s senior director of partner development and strategy, hosted the Sage Thought Leadership Podcast, and designed curricula for Sage Partners and Customers. He also co-hosts The Soul of Enterprise with Ron Baker, his friend and fellow THRESHOLD co-founder. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!