How I Built This with Guy Raz

Heather Hasson and Trina Spear saw an opportunity nobody else seemed to notice: millions of healthcare workers were spending long days in uncomfortable, ill-fitting scrubs. So they set out to reinvent them. Heather was a designer with almost no money. To join her, Trina left a prestigious job at Blackstone and cashed out her retirement. They sold scrubs out of a car, got rejected by hundreds of investors, and eventually built FIGS into a multibillion-dollar public company. Along the way, they paid $40 million to fight a lawsuit, navigated a pandemic, and watched their company’s valuation swing by billions. This week, Heather and Trina share how they built the “Lululemon of Scrubs”—and why your net worth is not the same thing as self worth.  What you’ll learn  How a trip to Kenya changed Heather’s view of uniforms–and led her to start her own scarf and tie business  How Heather spotted an opportunity in a stale category: healthcare workers want comfortable clothes, too How free coffee became a tool for customer growth How the founders endured hundreds of investor rejections and learned to pursue a quick no How FIGS built a community that is “diehard obsessed” with their products How it pays–and what it costs– to defend your company against competitor lawsuits Why net worth shouldn’t determine self-worth How Heather and Trina think about resilience, luck, and building a company that lasts Timestamps: 07:05 - Heather’s dreams to become a surgeon and launch a handbag business fall through, so she takes a life-changing trip to Kenya 13:53 - Heather meets a healthcare friend for coffee: “What are you wearing?... This is garbage.”   20:46 - Trina beats Heather in a tennis match, and the two become business partners 29:38 - Trina walks away from Blackstone to join Heather, and everyone asks, “What are you doing?”  35:05 - FIGS launches: Healthcare workers get it, but investors don’t 47:56 - A big-time investor comes on board—from the movie business  52:17 - A competitor sues for $800 million, and Heather and Trina use anger to their advantage 59:46 - COVID hits… and a year later, FIGS goes public 1:08:22 - No major plans to diversify: FIGS is all-in on scrubs for now  This episode was researched and produced by Katherine Sypher with music by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by Neva Grant. Our audio engineer was Robert Rodriguez. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Loren Castle started baking cookies after surviving cancer in her early twenties. Five years later, Sweet Loren’s refrigerated cookie dough was generating just $350,000 a year. But instead of giving up, she listened to customers, and reinvented the dough without gluten, dairy, eggs or nuts.  That transformation turned a small regional business into a national brand sold in more than 30,000 stores. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN How surviving cancer at 22 inspired Loren to rethink her career and develop a passion for healthier food. What working at New York’s Levain Bakery taught her about the enormous appeal—and profitability—of cookies. Why Loren decided to sell ready-made cookie dough instead of cookies  Why she was totally unprepared for her first Whole Foods meeting—but went anyway  Why raising her first $1 million from friends and family was much harder than she expected. Why hundreds of customer requests revealed an unmet need for allergen-free cookie dough. Why growing slowly may have saved the company. Why Loren isn't rushing to sell Sweet Loren’s TIMESTAMPS:  8:40 – After her mother's leukemia diagnosis, Loren is diagnosed with Hodgkin's Lymphoma at 22.  13:12 – Watching people line up for cookies at Levain Bakery: “I think this is America’s favorite food.”  14:54 – Selling baked goods at Smorgasburg: customers ask if they can just buy the dough  26:52 – Just as Whole Foods agrees to carry her cookie dough, Loren loses her mom   37:41 – What happens after Sweet Loren’s gets on The Today Show:  “The whole country is excited by this.”  50:19 – Loren reconsiders her recipes after customers ask for dough without gluten, dairy, eggs.  56:24 – Loren takes the leap: discontinuing her original product line and going allergen-free for all.  1:05:41 – From one Whole Foods to 30,000 stores–the company expands nationally.  1:07:46 – After years of struggle, Loren explains why she wants to keep building the company instead of pursuing an exit. This episode was produced by Carla Esteves, with music composed by Ramtin Arablouei.  It was edited by Neva Grant. Our audio engineer was Jimmy Keeley.  Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the early 1990’s, Tim League spent $50,000 in savings to lease an abandoned movie theater on the wrong side of the tracks—a shaky experiment that eventually grew into a thriving national chain. As Tim and his wife Karrie built theaters in Austin and beyond, they made a name for themselves by offering dinner with the movie, creative pairings (like sake with Godzilla), and roadshows where movie-goers could watch Deliverance in canoes, or Rocky on the famous steps in Philly. Alamo Drafthouse Cinema now has dozens of locations across the country, but there have been plenty of bruises along the way: a failed first theater, a fractious lawsuit with business partners, and a swan dive into the red during the pandemic. This episode was produced by Carla Esteves, with music by Ramtin Arablouei. Edited by Neva Grant, with research help from Carla Esteves. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stories about starting a business are almost always full of drama. They’re about ambition, loss, triumph, catastrophe, resilience. And they’re also full of life lessons – which is why Guy Raz launched How I Built This 10 years ago: He wanted to host a free master class in entrepreneurship, one conversation at a time. Ten years on, he’s conducted over 600 interviews with some of the world’s most successful founders, and on today’s show, he replays some of the most memorable moments and lessons. Joining him is Jamie Siminoff, the founder of RING and a former guest on the show. Why Jamie? He’s a friend, a fan, and – as you may remember from his first interview - he doesn’t hide his emotions. Timestamps: 5:10 A lightbulb switches on at an NYC bodega: “Oh my God, look at all those cherries!”  9:33 The moment Stitch Fix founder Katrina Lake realized she should start her own business. 12:04 The difference between scary and dangerous, and why it matters for founders 19:35 Eileen Fisher’s first, terrifying trade show: “I couldn’t speak. I just stood there.” 22:59 “Everything was on one computer?” The chaotic launch of Instagram 27:32 How Sara Blakely sold her first Spanx 31:16 The marketing genius behind Liquid Death 39:40 Why 2008 was the worst year of Joe Gebbia’s life 44:51 How the co-founder of Banana Republic fell asleep at the wheel—literally 53:40 Makeup mogul Bobbi Brown on selling to Estee Lauder: “I am not a follow-the- leader-kind of person.” 1:01:59 Luck, skill, and staying on the surfboard This episode was produced by Casey Herman, with music by Ramtin Arablouei. Edited by Neva Grant. Our audio engineer was Robert Rodriguez. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

With its eco-friendly paper towels, diapers, and cleansers, Seventh Generation was one of the first—and most successful—green household brands to hit the market. But in the early 1990s, its two founders had a bitter falling out. Alan Newman and Jeffrey Hollender have barely spoken since that time, but they both agreed to come on the show to talk about the business they were both passionate about, and the delicate nature of partnership. What you'll learn:  Why Alan says his great strength—and his greatness weakness—is his tendency to say “yes.” How Jeffrey and Alan lost their friendship and business partnership after only three years. How Jeffrey grew Seventh Generation into a household name—and then got fired. How two formerly estranged partners feel about partnership now. Timestamps: 5:30 - Jeffrey makes it big in Canada selling adult-learning courses… before he’s forced to leave the country 11:50 - Alan moves to Vermont on a whim, and winds up in a mail-order catalog business 24:31 - Alan and Jeffrey meet for the first time and find common ground: Alan needs capital and Jeffrey has it  30:13 - An atypical office for 1989: Ping pong table, nap room, and employees get prizes when they make mistakes  40:35 - Crisis hits… and tears Alan and Jeffrey’s friendship apart 45:41 - Jeffrey sends Alan a “Dear John” letter, and Alan leaves the company 50:00 - Seventh Generation grows to new heights… then Jeffrey is fired as CEO 82:56 - Jeffrey and Alan reflect on why their partnership failed, and what it takes to have a good one   This episode was produced by Casey Herman with music by Ramtin Arablouei.  It was edited by Neva Grant. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Rudolph started making chickpea pasta in his Detroit apartment because wheat made him feel sick. A decade later, Banza was in more than 25,000 stores, and today, it’s one of the most popular pasta brands in the country. Success was not automatic: The business barely got off the ground because the cooked pasta was turning to mush—and as Banza became known for its health benefits, a food-safety scare sent sales plunging by 30%. In this episode, Brian explains why he was inspired to create a whole new category, how he turned chickpea skeptics into fans, and how the company rebuilt trust after a public relations disaster.  What you’ll learn  How Brian and his brother Scott launched Banza with only $100,000. How they learned to stop chasing perfection and to ship something that was “good enough.”  How crowdfunding and reality TV helped Banza land its first retail accounts.  How packaging can become an important growth engine for a new brand.  How transparency can rebuild trust after a PR debacle–but can’t restore it overnight.  Timestamps: 05:50 - Brian uncovers the unexpected culprit behind his health issues: Wheat 07:27 - From Chewy bars and Chipotle to pasta made of… beans? 16:24 - Banza gets a big break on national TV 20:51 - The 192-store order that Banza wasn’t ready for, and why retreating to a smaller manufacturer helped them meet it   26:12 - Banza’s first production run turns to mush when cooked. The solution? “Steep it like tea” 34:04 - The origin of the distinctive orange box 39:13 - Pizza anyone? Banza expands into thousands of stores and launches new products  41:00 - The food safety scare that Brian never saw coming 52:13 - Even in the midst of a crisis, Brian says to “assume positive intent” This episode was produced by Katherine Sypher, with music by Ramtin Arablouei. Edited by Neva Grant, with research help from Kerry Thompson. Our audio engineer was Robert Rodriguez. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Karissa Bodnar had a dream job at L'Oréal when a close friend died from cancer at age 24. It shook her up and made her reassess what she really wanted to do with her life. The answer? Build her own beauty business with a mission of “giving back.” The problem? Nobody seemed to want to carry her products. She pitched Sephora, Nordstrom, Ulta, and others—and kept hearing no. She stuck it out, pouring tens of thousands of dollars of her own savings into it, and worked a full-time job to fund the formulation of new cosmetics. Two years in, another life-changing event. Karissa posted a video of herself teaching make-up application to domestic violence survivors, and it went viral. In this episode Karissa explains why mission alone will never save a bad product, how scarcity helped her build a better company, why she resisted raising too much money, and how she turned a deeply personal loss into one of the most distinctive brands in beauty. What You’ll Learn: How Karissa's childhood experimenting with fruits and flowers led her to researching and formulating her own makeup How Karissa’s experiences at Nordstrom and Sephora set her up for a plum job in product development The importance of attracting an influential mentor or guide to career development, as Karissa did at L’Oreal How Karissa developed her unique line — like false eyelashes for people who had lost their natural lashes during cancer treatment Why the decision to keep sales DTC and ONLY online can be a great business move Why Karissa believes “scarcity drives focus” How to handle operations when sales explode Why mission helps customer loyalty — but performance drives the initial and repeat purchases Timestamps: 03:05 – Making makeup in the kitchen at age 10 and Karissa’s first steps into research 06:30 – Learning the beauty business from the ground up 08:57 – How Karissa landed her dream job in product development at L'Oréal 12:23 – The career lessons that got Karissa noticed at L'Oréal 17:23 – How a tragedy made Karissa leave a dream job to start a company “with purpose” 26:56 – The one-person-at-a-time marketing strategy 28:21 – The viral moment that changed Thrive Causemetics 32:26 – Why failing to raise money became an advantage 36:23 – Mission versus product: which really matters? 38:24 – Why Thrive Causemetics stayed direct-to-consumer This episode was produced by Sam Paulson with music by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by Andrea Bruce with research help from Chris Maccini. Our engineer was Jimmy Keeley. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chuck Surack never planned to build one of America's largest online retailers. He just wanted to be a musician. So right after high school, he took his sax and drove off in his old VW van to play gigs around the country. It didn’t work out. But with the audio and mixing skills Chuck learned gigging, he decided to convert his van into a mobile recording studio - and started making money fast by making recordings of local bands, businesses, and schools.The game-changer came as a one-two-three punch: first, he created a new product - digitized sound libraries - to sell nationally; second, he started selling high end pro audio gear; third, he instituted a sales culture hyper-focused on customers and relationship-building that resulted in Sweetwater’s enormous and super loyal online customer base. In this episode, Chuck shares how he built a retail giant from his garage, why customer service became his greatest competitive advantage, and why, even in the age of AI, human relationships remain one of the most valuable assets any business can build. What you'll learnThe hiring philosophy that transformed customer service into a competitive moat and has helped Sweetwater fend off much larger competitorsWhy under-cutting competitor prices and offering discounts isn’t always the answer to fuel sales and growth Why the best salespeople aren’t always don’t think of themselves as salespeople - and don’t have to come from sales or marketing backgroundsWhy training people—not technology—may be the biggest, best investment a company can makeHow saying "no" to bad products strengthened customer trustThe leadership principle: empowering employees to solve problems without asking permissionTimestamps05:39 — The saxophone player who never meant to build a billion-dollar company09:11 — How turning his VW van into a mobile recording studio was the first step in building a business14:37 — The $20,000 keyboard synthesizer that changed his life forever21:27 — Chuck gets into retail - almost in spite of himself34:39 — Why Sweetwater refused to compete on price37:51 — How Chuck and his early team started to learn the power of customer service44:45 — Inside "Sweetwater University" and being a Sales Engineer: 13 weeks of training before an employee answers the phone46:55 — Leadership rule for employees: Never ask permission to do the right thing1:03:19 — Why Amazon hasn’t stopped himThis episode was produced by Casey Herman with music by Ramtin Arablouei, and edited by Andrea Bruce with research help from Carla Esteves.Follow How I Built This:Instagram → @howibuiltthisX → @HowIBuiltThisFacebook → How I Built ThisFollow Guy Raz:Instagram → @guy.razYoutube → guy_razX → @guyrazSubstack → guyraz.substack.comWebsite → guyraz.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.